greengeek wrote: I still feel that Puppy should make further progress in the area of "wizards". Modularity should not stop at the concept of plugging in sfs files. Every aspect of puppy should be driveable and configurable through a wizard. You want persistence? - then run the persistence wizard. You want to format a usb drive? - then run the disk format wizard. You want to discard all of the firmware files that are not in use in your current system? - then run the firmware wizard.
i dont think this is unreasonable. its part of what makes puppy puppy.
i could make you a disk format wizard and a discard firmware wizard tonight. however when it comes to such tools, this forum can be fiercely competitive. id feel like an idiot if i spent time making those tools, because someone would just come write a better one.
id probably just make a text version (blah, half the point of the wizard is a gui right?) and then slap yad on it to make it a "gui." sure, i could use gtkdialog.
i guarantee if wanderer got some really good tools for this, someone would just remaster it with other ones. which is great, i wonder how much that frees up wanderer to make tools that are simple and minimal, knowing that if corepup gets lots of users that theyll just add their own favourites to it.
i know there are people who have made similar tools for puppy over the years. i bet if people recommended them, wanderer could choose them and possibly adapt them to corepup.
so could i. but this is a matter of taste, and rather than "become fashion" id prefer to let someone who appreciates the finer things to run that show. does wanderer adapt puppy tools?
i highly recommend going with tools that the community made-- just because its probably more modular then-- as someone who found out what it takes to run petget somewhere else. and thats just basic functionality-- installing pet packages and giving you the gtkdialog that says "ok" or "cancel"
i imported petget to refracta, but it pulls in a lot of other stuff just to get to the point where it works at all.
the part about distros creating boundaries that make people comfortable is to acknowledge that such people exist and want to be catered to. i dont have anything against those people, or anything against catering to them. that is certainly one of puppys goals.
however, its years since those people are the driving force behind puppy design. im not saying thats a good thing or a bad thing.
whats driving puppy along is mostly the urge for people to redesign things for themselves.
whether wanderer makes a puppy thats easier to customise, or a tinycore thats friendlier or both-- i dont know if he has noticed the change but heres something to consider:
in 2006, ubuntu was new and it was easier to find a pc that it ran really slow on. i design my distro specifically to avoid more e-waste, but very few distros are nice on a pentium ii. im running corepup right now on an above-average p4.
puppy was so much faster than ubuntu, though ultimately i had an easier time with dsl. why? design choices.
for all the wizards, dsl (smaller than puppy, even then) supported the network card i tried to buy out of the box, while fiddling and frustrating trying to make puppy work with it for hours on end. it just wasnt in the kernel, and i didnt know what to do about that. i was very new to this stuff.
for me, dsl just worked-- not that it was as much fun as puppy. there was no wizard to run, all i had to do was attach the hardware and now i had an network card (this was for a laptop that didnt have ethernet.)
im sure it would be interesting (and piss people off) if i started to point out the real direction puppy design (community wise) is going in. i dont think its bad, its interesting.
above all, its different. the niche that puppy took care of in 2006 isnt the same i dont think. people have faster computers, more ram, i was helping people a 4 or 5 years ago refurbish "old junk" with debian. i only stopped doing that because of disgust with the new debian. the new puppy is alright-- puppy is the same, the community is simply higher tech now.
i suppose the best person to make those wizards would be the person who made them and hoped they would be incorporated in woof, but they werent. if someone had wizards they wanted included in corepup, they should recommend them and i hope wanderer will consider them.