Is it time to fork the Legacy Woof-CE Branch to gitlab?
Posted: Fri 09 Aug 2019, 19:27
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May I start with commenting on your geopolitical rant? I have always been negative towards nuclear power - for reasons related to passing dangerous residues down through the many generations of innocent humans that will follow us. And I do not share the idea that CO2 is a boogey man justifying the use of nuclear. I was gobsmacked to recently view the following youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w where the speaker offered a strong justification for more nuclear power plants in order to save the planet.s243a wrote: If people really thought the world was going to end than nuclear power is by far the best short term strategy to eliminate CO2 emissions within the power industry.
At least the old puppies are still archived (thanks Ally!) for people needing to keep old hardware alive. And fine tuning those distros is a very good way for new Puppians to learn the landscape and develop basic dev skills themselves.What we possibly may leave behind is the ideas of freedom which puppy represents.
This is possible but I going to try avoiding getting too much into the CO2 debate. I just want people to be honest that if CO2 is really the boogeyman that people say it is than we need nuclear. However, if the danger isn't as dire and as immediate than we can explore alternatives and the rate that we have to bring alternatives online will depend on how dire and immediate the threat is.greengeek wrote:May I start with commenting on your geopolitical rant? I have always been negative towards nuclear power - for reasons related to passing dangerous residues down through the many generations of innocent humans that will follow us. And I do not share the idea that CO2 is a boogey man justifying the use of nuclear. I was gobsmacked to recently view the following youtube vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w where the speaker offered a strong justification for more nuclear power plants in order to save the planet.s243a wrote: If people really thought the world was going to end than nuclear power is by far the best short term strategy to eliminate CO2 emissions within the power industry.
Suddenly it became obvious to me why governments are criminalising CO2 - it provides a "justification" for going nuclear. The "CO2 is bad" brigade obviously stand to make a lot of money by encouraging building of nuclear power plants.
agreedBut back to puppy : I much prefer to keep old PCs running - and they can easily be powered by solar and wind technologies (at least in many parts of the world). But I also see great advantage in having devs build operating systems for low power devices like Odroid/Raspberry etc.
In fact, as my old hardware dies I will be hoping to move up to Raspberry PCs as a means of avoiding Win10 compatible UEFI style externally controlled hardware.
So I applaud both perspectives - the support of old hardware and also development of new highly efficient "old style" puppies running on highly efficient "new style" hardware.
Currently puppy is tied to the big distros but some puppy like systems aren't such as: easyOS, weeDog, TazPup and Fatdog64. With woof-next this will likely change because of greater flexibility in the build system. There is currently a version of woof-next that is being developed by the woof-CE developers called (ZWN):What I see little value in is the production of puppies tied to the big distros.
Perhaps someone wants a light version of debian. Of course there are alternatives besides puppy for this like doglinux and MXLinuxIf you need to run the newest software programme and it relies on the latest Debian - why would you not boot debian when you have to run it? And just use your good old puppy for everything else?
I agree, I'm very much appreciative of both the work by the puppy developers and also the work of people that keep old versions of puppy alive. P.S. you forgot: nic and JRB as community members which help to keep old versions of puppy alive.At least the old puppies are still archived (thanks Ally!) for people needing to keep old hardware alive. And fine tuning those distros is a very good way for new Puppians to learn the landscape and develop basic dev skills themselves.What we possibly may leave behind is the ideas of freedom which puppy represents.
Example - Darry and Watchdog take old puppies and graft new bits on.
Is this effectively what you are proposing and promoting via a more formal fork?
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So Microsoft owns Github and Google has control of Gitlab.GitLab moved from Microsoft Azure to Google Cloud Platform in August 11, 2018, which made the service inaccessible to users in Crimea, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria, due to sanctions imposed by Office of Foreign Assets Control of the United States.
Yes indeed, definitely. I only mentioned two of the contributors that keep old distros alive and relevant. (Tuxtoo deserves a major mention too..).s243a wrote:P.S. you forgot: nic and JRB as community members which help to keep old versions of puppy alive.
You've brought up an issue that I've been very concerned with of late. There are just a few browser developers (Google, Mozilla, etc.). The w3c is no longer in charge of web standards. The browser developers took that over and mainly disregard any w3c suggestions they don't like. Web developers tend to only create web sites that work on the last 3 incarnations of popular browsers. They typically don't have the time or inclination to thoroughly test all browsers. Also, if tried and true web design techniques are used that port well to multiple browsers, people complain it's not web 2.0 and isn't aesthetically pleasing. So, we're stuck with a monopoly that's been created by people's tastes and what's in style, that forces you to keep upgrading your hardware and software to conform to what's popular.8Geee wrote: Basically a.) just needs a new(er) browser. I realize that is not easy to accomplish. Moving base-standards forward (i.e. GTK3) is a rather complicated and immense solution. And of course glibc updating is even more complicated. It boils down to entities much larger than Puppy are forcing changes upon ALL.
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 74#1049674jrb wrote:Here's a link to my slightly modified version. Precise is one of the build options. You can click on the build scripts and they will open in terminal window. It will pause and open an xmessage window just before building the puppy.sfs, this lets you check and modify within rootfs-complete. Click OK to continue.s243a wrote:Cool. I'll consider your version the official legacy fork. May I have a link to your fork?jrb wrote:The "17March2019" in the thread title refers to the WoofCE that I started with for Precise-light MK2. I have used that throughout. I know there were some major changes after that.
Cheers, J
Enjoy, J