(old)Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

Thanks for the logo lobster

Next question where should I post finished work?

Puppy for ARM, x86_64 or any architecture

So glad you are doing this.
This ability is worth documenting and sharing.

As you know we have pets, SFS, portable linux apps and debs
as software packages and two package managers. (PPM and Slickpet)

In an ideal world we have an OS that boots with basic functionality
and installs and uninstalls software.

The basic Puppy OS functionality is impressive on a desktop
On a tablet or smart-phone it is dysfunctional - at the moment.
I did see some elements in Puppeee that would make sense on a touch screen.

Keeping in mind a common experience across different devices
and architectures is not easy.

Puppy may have to evolve into calf
http://www.iguleder.info/wordpress/?p=64

Puppy Linux
. . . anything can happen . . .

Next question where should I post finished work?

Thanks pacer106

Maybe PARM artwork in the eyecandy section? (thread not created yet)
In an ideal world you would create a hosted location
such as:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/1644/parm2.png
. . .
which can be linked to directly from the source to wiki, forum and other interested parties as the geek party begins (Raspberry Pi and hot dogs will be served)

. . . and maybe igu would like an improved calf for his avatar?
. . . mind you 'outsider art' is big at the moment I believe . . .

Puppy
Linux As Arte

Barry is looking at cross compiler toolchains
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02575

. . . he could be turning raspberry

Once we have our Puppy kennel [ . . . ahem . . .] kernel
We will have access to some amazing future browsers on cornflake packets (. . . OK far future . . .)

After Pi
we can select a touch screen tablet, which we can all afford

Raspberry Pi is very much an education project.
Puppy too is a continuous education, with many of us still learning how
to program or develop other skills.

I have always wanted a simple programming language such as
http://ifttt.com/
or better still real time programming which I believe some classified
projects may be using

Touch screens and pinching and expanding and moving
completely change the programing potential . . .
http://tmxxine.com/web/asq3/index.htm

Iguleder wrote:However, it's a 'lil bit more problematic - Woof has many executables and binary files. This is totally against any programming convention I'm aware of, but I won't criticize Barry's decisions.

The bottom line is that bootstrapping a new Puppy for another architecture requires four main things:
1) Replace all binaries in Woof with ones native to the new Puppy (well, except those used to build it - they need to match the machine Woof runs on)
2) Build that Puppy from a Puppy that can run its binaries, that's a Woof requirement.
3) All those crappy traditional packages.
4) A kernel.

I am aware of the problem, and have posted some thoughts about fixing Woof to be multi-arch:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02576

Finally...

Woof to be multi-arch

Ay Chihuahua

I hope those with rpi and 64bit will be the first
to try barking with the new Woof.
http://www.osnews.com/story/25271/ARM_T ... with_ARMv8

The traditional programs in Puppy have been
tried, tested and frequently updated.

Pemasu is a great example of someone
creating new Puppy blends that temper the fervour
of those on the cutting edge of innovation.

Great news from Barry

Got an email a few hours ago . . .

Eben Upton to me
Hi Ed
We're doing our best to find you an alpha board right now. Hang in there

Eben

Is he just taunting me with vapour raspberry wares?

From the bottom of this page you will see they are after a BASIC
http://elinux.org/RaspberryPiBoard

We are Puppy, we bring (kosher) Bacon compiled BASIC on the beach
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 859#578859
Time to go swimming in a C of variables . . .

In the design of the Raspberry Pi board I found a Puppy


If I believed in such things it could only be a great omen
For those of a more sensible build of mind . . .
Barry has a new ARM motherboard and will be developing Woof power with ARM shortly . . .
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02596

http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/10/virt ... velopment/

"Virtualbox is only x86 but inside the vm is qemu and scratchbox2 that emulate arm and allow you to build software for arm devices"

Eben Upton to me
Hi Ed
We're doing our best to find you an alpha board right now. Hang in there :)

Eben

Oh yes, 50 exist now and the order has been placed for the first batch of $25alphas.
If Eben sends you a specimen, I trust you'll have it winging its way to Perenjori PDQ!

Hi Sage...watching with interest

I've seen several comments on the announcement thread....

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/28

....asking whether it's going to use POE or have usb power...seems 6-20v has been mooted

IF usb power ISN'T available, here's a neat, cheap, step up/down boost/buck power supply [3.5-35v in, 4-35v out at up to 3amp with heatsink]
Should be fine for using with car/battery/powerbrick conversion to power it, no matter what!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bwlac28

Don't know how long this image will stay up/why it won't display in the forum?.... [thanks ebay]

[img]i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzQ2WDQwMA==/$(KGrHqV,!l0E5Y8V!40(BOZD285wVg~~60_1.JPG[/img]

For those interested

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/302

Aitch

The $35 version, with RJ45, seems to have a separate 5V power input socket. This is quite a popular strategy for nominally self-powered (USB & co.) devices like KVM, data boxes, speakers, etc which operate OK for modest systems but need a few more mA when deployed flat out. Any road up, it's not an issue, as you say - just another (power) brick-in-the-wall !

Just come across a Pi-VM/development blog for those who can't wait!

Developer's site

http://russelldavis.org/2011/09/10/virt ... velopment/

VM torrent

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6667294

Aitch

Good news!

I'm trying to buy two of these sweet little things, which run on top of an Intel implementation of ARMv5.

Once I receive those (assuming I do, who knows), I'll probably revive Calf GNU/Linux, my very own distro.

I already rewrote a big part of its init scripts, which should make things easier. Then, I'll need some cross-compiler for ARM to get myself static packages of Busybox, etc'.

Also, I want to run Trinity on ARM, sounds fun

Neat

This may be useful....?

http://zipit.rootnexus.org/


Aitch

Interesting development.

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/news/linus-t ... t-off-arm/

RasberryPi could be part of the solution, developers will have a genuine interest in OpenSource

. . . meanwhile in Russia from dim-kut
the First Puppy ARM boot . . . next JWM?
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02624

Why would Linus cut off his arm? ... just kidding