Questions about the official versions of Puppy Linux
Hello dear colleagues.
I'm starting with Puppy Linux, I have some doubts about the official versions of Puppy Linux, these doubts that I have I have not found explanations.
On the page http://puppylinux.com/, you have the versions:
Raspbian Buster armhf 32-bit Raspup 8.2.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Bionic x86 32-bit BionicPup32 8.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Bionic 64 x86_64 64-bit BionicPup64 8.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Xenial x86 32-bit XenialPup 7.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Xenial 64 x86_64 64-bit XenialPup64 7.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Slackware 14.1 x86 32-bit Slacko Puppy 6.3.2 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Slackware64 14.1 x86_64 64-bit Slacko64 Puppy 6.3.2 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Tahr x86 32-bit Tahrpup 6.0.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Tahr 64 x86_64 64-bit Tahrpup64 6.0.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
On the page http://puppylinux.com/download.html, you have the links for each forum on the respective version of Pupy Linux:
BionicPup32 UbuntuLTS18.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) BionicPup32 Forum Page
BionicPup64 UbuntuLTS18.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Bionicpup64 Forum Page
XenialPup UbuntuLTS16.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) Xenialpup Forum Page
XenialPup64 UbuntuLTS16.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Xenialpup64 Forum Page
Tahrpup UbuntuLTS14.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) Tahrpup Forum Page
Tahrpup64 UbuntuLTS14.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Tahrpup64 Forum Page
ScPup SlackwareCurrent compatible Pup (32 & 64bit) ScPup Forum Page
Slacko14.2 Slackware14.2 compatible Pup (32 & 64bit) Slacko14.2 Forum Page
Slacko14.1 Slackware14.1 compatible Official Pup (32 & 64bit) Slacko Website
LxPupSc SlackwareCurrent Pup with LXDE (32 & 64bit) LxPupSc Forum Page
DPupStretch DebianStretch compatible Pup (32bit) DPupStretch Forum Page
In the forum links, just the link: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=113244, has the following information about BionicPup32 (UPupBB): "Note: Ubuntu support of Bionic Beaver will end April 2023 (or maybe 2028 if you pay) ".
In the other forums, about the other versions: XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 and Slacko14.2 do not inform how long the support of these versions will be.
Which version (BionicPup32, XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 and Slacko14.2 32 bits and 64 bits) has the longest support time?
What is the main difference between Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware and Ubuntu Tahr versions?
Are the differences only visual between the Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware and Ubuntu Tahr versions?
For those who are getting to know Puppy Linux it is important to know the main differences in order to choose the version that best meets expectations.
In research that I did, checking the appearance, I realized that all versions are very beautiful Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware and Ubuntu Tahr. But what I need to know is, which version will have better performance and greater compatibility with most hardware and mainly, which version will have better performance on computers or notebooks with little RAM (between 512MB and 1GB) and older processors (Pentium 4, or Intel Celeron, or Athlon XP, or AMD Duron).
I thank anyone who can help me.
Thank you very much.
marcelocripe
Original text in Brazilian Portuguese, translation by Google Translate
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Dúvidas sobre as versões oficias do Puppy Linux
Olá caro colegas.
Estou iniciando com o Puppy Linux, possuo algumas dúvidas sobre as versões oficias do Puppy Linux, estas duvidas que possuo eu não encontrei explicações.
Na página http://puppylinux.com/, possui as versões:
Raspbian Buster armhf 32-bit Raspup 8.2.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Bionic x86 32-bit BionicPup32 8.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Bionic 64 x86_64 64-bit BionicPup64 8.0 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Xenial x86 32-bit XenialPup 7.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Xenial 64 x86_64 64-bit XenialPup64 7.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Slackware 14.1 x86 32-bit Slacko Puppy 6.3.2 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Slackware64 14.1 x86_64 64-bit Slacko64 Puppy 6.3.2 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Tahr x86 32-bit Tahrpup 6.0.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Ubuntu Tahr 64 x86_64 64-bit Tahrpup64 6.0.5 Main - Mirror - Checksum
Na página http://puppylinux.com/download.html, possui os links de cada fórum sobre a respectiva versão do Pupy Linux:
BionicPup32 UbuntuLTS18.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) BionicPup32 Forum Page
BionicPup64 UbuntuLTS18.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Bionicpup64 Forum Page
XenialPup UbuntuLTS16.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) Xenialpup Forum Page
XenialPup64 UbuntuLTS16.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Xenialpup64 Forum Page
Tahrpup UbuntuLTS14.04 compatible Official Pup (32bit) Tahrpup Forum Page
Tahrpup64 UbuntuLTS14.04 compatible Official Pup (64bit) Tahrpup64 Forum Page
ScPup SlackwareCurrent compatible Pup (32 & 64bit) ScPup Forum Page
Slacko14.2 Slackware14.2 compatible Pup (32 & 64bit) Slacko14.2 Forum Page
Slacko14.1 Slackware14.1 compatible Official Pup (32 & 64bit) Slacko Website
LxPupSc SlackwareCurrent Pup with LXDE (32 & 64bit) LxPupSc Forum Page
DPupStretch DebianStretch compatible Pup (32bit) DPupStretch Forum Page
No links dos fóruns, apenas no link: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=113244, possui a seguinte informação sobre o BionicPup32 (UPupBB): "Note: Ubuntu support of Bionic Beaver will end April 2023 (or maybe 2028 if you pay)".
Nos outros fóruns, sobre as outras versões: XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 e Slacko14.2 não informam qual será o tempo de suporte destas versões.
Qual das versões (BionicPup32, XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 e Slacko14.2 32 bits e 64 bits) possui maior tempo de suporte?
Qual é a principal diferença entre as versões Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware e Ubuntu Tahr?
As diferenças são apenas visuais entre as versões Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware e Ubuntu Tahr?
Para quem está começando a conhecer o Puppy Linux é importante saber as principais diferenças para poder escolher a versão que melhor atenda as expectativas.
Em pesquisa que eu fiz, verificando a aparência, percebi que todas as versões são muito bonitas Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware e Ubuntu Tahr. Mas o que eu preciso saber é, qual é a versão que terá melhor desempenho e maior compatibilidade com a maioria dos hardwares e principalmente, qual é a versão que terá melhor desempenho em computadores ou notebook com pouca memória RAM (entre 512MB e 1GB) e processadores antigos (Pentium 4, ou Intel Celeron, ou Athlon XP, ou AMD Duron).
Desde já agradeço a quem puder me ajudar.
Muito obrigado.
marcelocripe
Texto original em português do brasil, tradução por Google Tradutor
Questions about the official versions of Puppy Linux
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marcelocripe
- Posts: 6
- Joined: Sat 18 Apr 2020, 22:17
That support statement has nothing to do with support for any Puppy version.about BionicPup32 (UPupBB): "Note: Ubuntu support of Bionic Beaver will end April 2023 (or maybe 2028 if you pay) ".
In the other forums, about the other versions: XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 and Slacko14.2 do not inform how long the support of these versions will be.
Which version (BionicPup32, XenialPup, Tahrpup, Slacko14.1 and Slacko14.2 32 bits and 64 bits) has the longest support time?
We are still supporting Puppy v1.0. if anyone is still using it.
Bionicpup32 8.0 was built using core Linux programs and files from Ubuntu Bionic Beaver software repositories.Ubuntu support of Bionic Beaver will end April 2023 (or maybe 2028 if you pay) ".
Good chance, software packages compiled for Bionic Beaver, will work in Bionicpup32.
There is a chance that Ubuntu will close those repositories after April 2023.
So, the Puppy Package Manager(PPM) will no longer be able to get packages from those Ubuntu repositories.
Same for other Puppy versions using core Linux files and programs from other Linux OS repositories.
There PPM may not be able to access the other Linux OS's repositories at some point.
There developers just did not give info on when that will be, maybe.
Really, other Linux OS repositories, are a side option, to use, to get software packages.
Really best if you can get stuff from this forum or a Puppy specific repository.
Puppy pet packages usually just work.
Packages from other Linux repositories, usually work, but some need all kinds of dependency stuff. Getting all needed, can be a big problem.
Welcome to the world of Linux software
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
Different Puppy version developers built them.What is the main difference between Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware and Ubuntu Tahr versions?
They decided what would be in it, as to programs and support files, kernel, etc....
So, they do have some differences.
Next is when were they built.
Slacko 6.3.2 and Tahrpup 6.0.5 around the same time.
Next Xenialpup 7.5 (32bit, 64bit)
Then Bionicpup 8.0 (32bit, 64bit)
Computers supported.
The newer the computer, best support will be by the newest Puppy version.
Right now is Bionicpup.
However, even Bionicpup supports some very old computers.
With Puppy versions, you really just need to try one and see.
Example:
I have a very new computer.
Bionicpup works OK and supports all hardware.
Xenialpup works OK and supports all hardware.
Slacko and Tahrpup work OK, but do not have needed support for some hardware. Probably could be added, but why do it. Just use a newer Puppy.
A 10 year old computer.
All Puppy versions work on it OK and support the hardware.
The newer versions of Puppy will have newer core programs and files, plus improvements made to how Puppy works, overall.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
All Puppy versions will work with that amount of RAM.which version will have better performance on computers or notebooks with little RAM (between 512MB and 1GB) and older processors (Pentium 4, or Intel Celeron, or Athlon XP, or AMD Duron).
With 512MB you will need to limit how may programs and stuff you try to do at the same time. Linux swap file or partition will help.
Any Puppy version will support those processors.
Again, you are only going to know, by trying a few Puppy versions, to see which one is best fit, for the overall computer setup.
Some report Bionicpup64 8.0 seems slower on really old processors.
Works OK, just seems slower.
Bionicpup64 8.0 is using a Linux kernel, setup more for supporting the latest processors and what they are able to do.
The things they do not tell you, are usually the clue to solving the problem.
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
When I was a kid I wanted to be older.... This is not what I expected
YaPI(any iso installer)
I do not have 512 MB, I take the word Bionic run but seems run slow.(Pentium 4, or Intel Celeron, or Athlon XP, or AMD Duron).
In 256 MB Celeron/Pentium4 ( I suspect AMD Athlon & Duron) Bionic do not boot.
I recalled official Ubuntu explanation was that they where force to increase requirement to 1GB minimum memory due to Firefox Requirement at the moment.
I believe the limiting factor is how the kernel was build. There are config flags that need to be turn on for OLD processors to used any sort of old accelerated method.
I do not quite recalled all the details, but this is how I start learning of Puppy. I was trying to find a Bionic that could run on 256MB of memory. I did many kernel build, and I was never satisfy. So I did end up not using Bionic. Instead I used Xenial 17.11.
This is an old issue now. I am pretty confident some one had done a back-ported kernel to run Bionic in acceptable manner. Or as we been doing lately reusing kernels. For example may be Xenial 17.11 kernel do the job. I have not try it.
Now this will not mean you will be able to do your Nexflix in 256MB. Or used Your Browser to watch latest Youtube videos.
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marcelocripe
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Hello bigpup and enrique, how are you?
Thank you for responding and for your help.
On computers that I will install Pupy Linux, no matter which version is available (Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware or Ubuntu Tahr), as long as all computers or notebooks have the same version of Pupy Linux, I will be able to move (remove) the HD from one machine to another, computers with less RAM I can install the HDs that have more space or larger in GB, allowing me to create swap memory of the size that will best help the hardware to work with internet browser accessing on Youyube videos, even if it slows down performance.
For example, computers that have 512 MB or 1 GB of RAM (probably with DDR technology) I can create the swap partition when installing Pupy Linux 4 GB, or 5 GB, or even larger, of a hard disk. 80GB, if you think it is better to create with 10 GB, I can create this size or even larger. What do you think of that? Is it a valid resource? If so, what is the recommended size to create the partition on the HD to be used for swap memory in relation to the amount of RAM installed in the computer?
I hope you are understanding the translated text.
Thank you.
marcelocripe
Original text in Brazilian Portuguese, translation by Google Translate
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Olá bigpup e enrique, tudo bem?
Agradeço por responderem e pela ajuda.
Nos computadores que eu irei instalar o Pupy Linux, não importando qual das versão disponíveis (Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware ou Ubuntu Tahr), desde que todos os computadores ou notebook possuam o mesma versão do Pupy Linux, eu poderei movimentar (retirar) os HD de uma máquina para outra, os computadores com menos memória RAM eu posso instalar os HDs que tiverem mais espaço ou maior tamanho em GB, permitindo que eu crie memória swap do tamanho que melhor poderá auxiliar o hardware a funcionar com navegador de internet acessando em vídeos do Youyube, mesmo que isso diminua o desempenho.
Por exemplo, os computadores que possuírem 512 MB ou 1 GB de memória RAM (provavelmente ente com tecnologia DDR) eu posso criar a partição swap na instalação do Pupy Linux de 4 GB, ou 5 GB, ou ainda maior, de um disco rígido de 80GB, se vocês acham que fica melhor criar com 10 GB, eu posso criar deste tamanho ou ainda maior. O que acham disso? É um recurso válido? Se sim qual é o tamanho recomendado para criar a partição no HD para ser utilizado para memória swap em relação a quantidade de memória RAM instalada no computador?
Eu espero que estejam compreendendo o texto traduzido.
Muito obrigado.
marcelocripe
Texto original em português do brasil, tradução por Google Tradutor
Thank you for responding and for your help.
On computers that I will install Pupy Linux, no matter which version is available (Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware or Ubuntu Tahr), as long as all computers or notebooks have the same version of Pupy Linux, I will be able to move (remove) the HD from one machine to another, computers with less RAM I can install the HDs that have more space or larger in GB, allowing me to create swap memory of the size that will best help the hardware to work with internet browser accessing on Youyube videos, even if it slows down performance.
For example, computers that have 512 MB or 1 GB of RAM (probably with DDR technology) I can create the swap partition when installing Pupy Linux 4 GB, or 5 GB, or even larger, of a hard disk. 80GB, if you think it is better to create with 10 GB, I can create this size or even larger. What do you think of that? Is it a valid resource? If so, what is the recommended size to create the partition on the HD to be used for swap memory in relation to the amount of RAM installed in the computer?
I hope you are understanding the translated text.
Thank you.
marcelocripe
Original text in Brazilian Portuguese, translation by Google Translate
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Olá bigpup e enrique, tudo bem?
Agradeço por responderem e pela ajuda.
Nos computadores que eu irei instalar o Pupy Linux, não importando qual das versão disponíveis (Ubuntu Bionic, Ubuntu Xenial, Slackware ou Ubuntu Tahr), desde que todos os computadores ou notebook possuam o mesma versão do Pupy Linux, eu poderei movimentar (retirar) os HD de uma máquina para outra, os computadores com menos memória RAM eu posso instalar os HDs que tiverem mais espaço ou maior tamanho em GB, permitindo que eu crie memória swap do tamanho que melhor poderá auxiliar o hardware a funcionar com navegador de internet acessando em vídeos do Youyube, mesmo que isso diminua o desempenho.
Por exemplo, os computadores que possuírem 512 MB ou 1 GB de memória RAM (provavelmente ente com tecnologia DDR) eu posso criar a partição swap na instalação do Pupy Linux de 4 GB, ou 5 GB, ou ainda maior, de um disco rígido de 80GB, se vocês acham que fica melhor criar com 10 GB, eu posso criar deste tamanho ou ainda maior. O que acham disso? É um recurso válido? Se sim qual é o tamanho recomendado para criar a partição no HD para ser utilizado para memória swap em relação a quantidade de memória RAM instalada no computador?
Eu espero que estejam compreendendo o texto traduzido.
Muito obrigado.
marcelocripe
Texto original em português do brasil, tradução por Google Tradutor
Easier alternative OS
Hello Marcel!I'll keep this short'n sweet. Based on your line of questioning, I firmly believe the learning curve for a distro like antiX will be far more gradual.
While Pup is reasonably light'n fast, it's NOT necessarily suited for beginners.
Take a look, your time, and don't omit their FAQ.
https://antixlinux.com/
Having test run antiX myself, my observations were similar..
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150810#antix
>>> Living with the immediacy of death helps you sort out your priorities. It helps you live a life less trivial <<<
marcelocripe
It is funny how things repeats in this forum. I do not have the expertise to truly inform you about swap used. See problem is you need to understand swap suggestion where made under certain circumstances.
But todays Browsers and HD Video require lost of memory. It seems to me you guys expect swap will compensate. I am not sure about it.
This is my suggestion. Take your oldest PC with minimal memory. And test our Puppy version. Then try your favorite browser and try your video needs. Start with the maximum Swap you can have.
Once you know how your worst do, you know the others will be better.
Use the command free to check you situation. For example here is mine swap is always 0%.
It is funny how things repeats in this forum. I do not have the expertise to truly inform you about swap used. See problem is you need to understand swap suggestion where made under certain circumstances.
But todays Browsers and HD Video require lost of memory. It seems to me you guys expect swap will compensate. I am not sure about it.
This is my suggestion. Take your oldest PC with minimal memory. And test our Puppy version. Then try your favorite browser and try your video needs. Start with the maximum Swap you can have.
Once you know how your worst do, you know the others will be better.
Use the command free to check you situation. For example here is mine swap is always 0%.
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free
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 8115708 755768 5669276 128644 1690664 6952236
Swap: 7812092 0 7812092