First start on bionicpup64 8.0

[jul16ares]

Hello,

So like the work of that distro...

I'm recycling my brother owned Sony Vaio high-end 2011 laptop (VPCZ21V9E for the motivate ones...). i7-2620M 8GB of RAM.

Big issue is the first gen SSD (2x128GB RAID0 on the same pcb factory), making I/O errors.Replacement didn't worth it.

SO i tried puppy linux some times ago on my daughter cheap acer laptop, but coming from full distro like Debian, Arch, and CentOS with Openbox and no DE, I was a bit disoriented.

But now for saving this nice stuff, puppy comes with his potential off running on usb like compact ones.

The laptop comes with thunderbold controller, and a box with DVDRom, some USB, Video outputs (VGA HDMI) and a Radeon HD6650 eGPU within this box.

Yeahh man can i make it happen here ? Gaming this 2000€ laptop, with the radon chip on puppy linux ? Or maybe doing some video editing XD

I installed Steam, learning pup.sav, for now i'm on usb live session with pup.sav on area were the SSD seams to be ok for this datas.

My plan is to order an 128GB compact USB Stick on A.....
First of all what type of installation in this case, do i do ? Frugal Full, What partitioning ? We might start that internal SSD is not reliable.

And the second one is, can i install fglrx driver or whatever it called ? (I get nvidia video for a long time now) ?

Ok i finished for now, sorry for my English, i'm French

Hardware with PMD (Power Media Dock) plugged :

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root# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev b4)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev b4)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev b4)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev b4)
00:1c.6 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 7 (rev b4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation HM67 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 RAID bus controller: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile SATA Controller [RAID mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6230 [Rainbow Peak] (rev 34)
03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5209 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
04:00.0 USB controller: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 04)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
08:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
0a:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
0a:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
0a:04.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
14:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
15:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
15:04.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
16:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Whistler [Radeon HD 6730M/6770M/7690M XT]
16:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 6500/6600 / 6700M Series]
17:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
18:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
18:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
18:02.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
18:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
18:04.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation CVL2510 Thunderbolt Controller [Light Peak 2C 2010] (rev 01)
19:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06)
1a:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6111/6121 SATA II / PATA Controller (rev b2)
1b:00.0 USB controller: NEC Corporation uPD720200 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 04)

Modules :

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root# lsmod
Module                  Size  Used by
bnep                   20480  2
iptable_filter         16384  0
ip_tables              24576  1 iptable_filter
facetimehd             57344  0
videobuf2_dma_sg       16384  1 facetimehd
fan                    16384  0
joydev                 20480  0
input_leds             16384  0
uvcvideo               86016  0
videobuf2_vmalloc      16384  1 uvcvideo
videobuf2_memops       16384  2 videobuf2_vmalloc,videobuf2_dma_sg
videobuf2_v4l2         20480  2 facetimehd,uvcvideo
videodev              135168  3 videobuf2_v4l2,facetimehd,uvcvideo
videobuf2_common       32768  3 videobuf2_v4l2,facetimehd,uvcvideo
btusb                  40960  0
btrtl                  16384  1 btusb
btbcm                  16384  1 btusb
btintel                16384  1 btusb
bluetooth             311296  26 btrtl,btintel,btbcm,bnep,btusb
ecdh_generic           24576  1 bluetooth
psmouse               118784  0
rtsx_pci_sdmmc         20480  0
rtsx_pci_ms            16384  0
pcspkr                 16384  0
pata_marvell           16384  0
radeon               1343488  1
hwmon                  16384  1 radeon
ttm                    81920  1 radeon
iwldvm                122880  0
r8169                  73728  0
mac80211              364544  1 iwldvm
realtek                20480  2
libphy                 40960  2 r8169,realtek
iwlwifi               192512  1 iwldvm
cfg80211              270336  3 iwldvm,iwlwifi,mac80211
i2c_i801               28672  0
snd_hda_codec_realtek    81920  1
snd_hda_codec_generic    65536  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek
lpc_ich                24576  0
snd_hda_codec_hdmi     45056  2
snd_hda_intel          28672  0
snd_hda_codec          90112  4 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_hda_core           49152  5 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek
snd_pcm_oss            45056  0
snd_mixer_oss          24576  1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm                77824  5 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_core
snd_seq_dummy          16384  0
snd_seq_oss            36864  0
snd_seq_midi           16384  0
snd_seq_midi_event     16384  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss
snd_rawmidi            24576  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq                45056  6 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event,snd_seq_dummy
i915                 1245184  5
snd_seq_device         16384  4 snd_seq,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi
snd_timer              28672  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd                    65536  13 snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_seq_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_timer,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_mixer_oss
soundcore              16384  1 snd
mei_me                 20480  0
i2c_algo_bit           16384  2 radeon,i915
mei                    53248  1 mei_me
drm_kms_helper        131072  2 radeon,i915
syscopyarea            16384  1 drm_kms_helper
sysfillrect            16384  1 drm_kms_helper
sysimgblt              16384  1 drm_kms_helper
fb_sys_fops            16384  1 drm_kms_helper
drm                   331776  9 drm_kms_helper,radeon,i915,ttm
sony_laptop            49152  0
rfkill                 20480  5 bluetooth,cfg80211,sony_laptop
battery                20480  0
tpm_infineon           20480  0
pcc_cpufreq            16384  0
tpm_tis                16384  0
tpm_tis_core           20480  1 tpm_tis
ac                     16384  0
tpm                    49152  3 tpm_tis,tpm_infineon,tpm_tis_core

[linuxcbon]

Hi,
radeon is the driver for HD6650, so you don't have to install anything.
Running from USB with a save file seems to be a good idea.
How did you install to usb ?
Cheers

[Mike Walsh]

@ jul16ares:-

Hi.....and to the 'kennels'.

Gaming, mm.....wouldn't know much about that. Not my scene. Video editing, though, ahhh.....this I can advise with.

We've got quite a choice with regards to video editors in Bionicpup64.

Openshot - I detailed a workaround for a slightly older version (newer, Qt5 builds are 'problematic', shall we say?), which you can find here:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 73#1005173

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ShotCut - this runs as an AppImage (essentially, a 'portable build'.....think Windows PortableApps)

https://github.com/mltframework/shotcut ... 4.AppImage - again, a 'direct link'.

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FlowBlade - from the repos via the Puppy Package manager

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Cinelerra GG 'Infinity' - something of a 'pro' item in real terms - the guys at the BBC like this one! I detailed about this one here:-

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=118355

That's for the 32-bit DPup Stretch package. The direct link for the Ubuntu 18.04 .deb package is here:-

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/pkgs/ ... _amd64.deb

It just installs, and works, OOTB.

Hope some of that perhaps helps.


Mike.

[bigpup]

My plan is to order an 128GB compact USB Stick on A.....
First of all what type of installation in this case, do i do ? Frugal Full, What partitioning ? We might start that internal SSD is not reliable.

Puppy Linux is designed to work best as a frugal install or a live install.
Some features only work using one of these install methods.

A live install to a USB flash drive. All the files in the Puppy Linux iso are copied onto the USB drives partition.
That is the install, most installer programs do, on a USB flash drive.
The boot files are already there, from the Puppy iso.

A frugal install is the same thing.
All the files, in a Puppy Linux iso, are copied onto the USB, but put in a directory.
Because all the Puppy Linux files are in a directory.
A boot loader needs to also be installed, on the USB, to boot it.
Why do this?
Allows installing Puppy Linux, along side another operating system or have multiple versions of Puppy Linux. All on the same drive.

The installers in Bionicpup64 8.0 are best to use.
They understand how Puppy works and how to install it.

And the second one is, can i install fglrx driver or whatever it called ?

You say it has a Radeon HD6650.
The Radeon diver is already being used. It comes in Bionicpup64 8.0

AMD does have manufactures drivers, but not sure what they would give you, that the Radeon driver is not already providing.

I have no knowledge on AMD hardware manufactures drivers for Puppy Linux.
This is basically what you have to do:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=93949
This was written using Precise Puppy.
Use it as a guide for what to do.

The devx and kernel sources sfs for Bionicpup64 8.0 will be needed.
You can get them using Quickpet (icon on desktop)
Quickpet->Useful



Most people have Intel graphics or Nvidia.

Use this to do a search in this forum:
http://puppylinux.us/psearch.html

[Terry H]

My plan is to order an 128GB compact USB Stick on A.....
First of all what type of installation in this case, do i do ? Frugal Full, What partitioning ? We might start that internal SSD is not reliable.

Frugal install. You will be able to get far more assistance on the forum. The majority of members only do frugal installs, so assistance with installation issues may be difficult.

[bigpup]

Big issue is the first gen SSD (2x128GB RAID0 on the same pcb factory), making I/O errors.

If all you want to use is Puppy Linux or Puppy Linux and windows.

I would stop using the SSD's in raid0.

Use them as completely separate drives.

Even better if you could completely do a new setup using Gparted program.
Take each SSD and make new partition table (msdos)
Make fresh new partition(s) and format.

For Puppy Linux installs use ext 3 or 4 format.

For Windows, let it's installer do everything to one of the drives, for how Windows wants it.

[jul16ares]

Ho thanks for replies !!

#linuxcbon

radeon is the driver for HD6650, so you don't have to install anything.

How i know i use intel iGPU or eGPU ? for what applications ? there is a workaround ? Radeon doesn't seem to be used a lot by the way.

Running from USB with a save file seems to be a good idea.

What is the differences between frugal install and live install ?

#Mike Walsh

ShotCut - this runs as an AppImage (essentially, a 'portable build'.....think Windows PortableApps)

https://github.com/mltframework/shotcut ... 4.AppImage - again, a 'direct link'.

Thanks for this one, i'm looking for ethic packagement, snap...Herr I'm not sure it is

#bigpup

You say it has a Radeon HD6650.

The sort of dongle has. it's a sony proprietary case, controlled by early thunderbold over usb type A port.

I want to use open source driver by the way, but how i know the system use it or not ?
Thank for the link

#Terry H

Frugal install. You will be able to get far more assistance on the forum. The majority of members only do frugal installs, so assistance with installation issues may be difficult.

#bigpup

If all you want to use is Puppy Linux or Puppy Linux and windows.

I would stop using the SSD's in raid0.

Use them as completely separate drives.

Even better if you could completely do a new setup using Gparted program.
Take each SSD and make new partition table (msdos)
Make fresh new partition(s) and format.

For Puppy Linux installs use ext 3 or 4 format.

For Windows, let it's installer do everything to one of the drives, for how Windows wants it.

The SSD's are HS, so i've no intention to install system on it, that why i'm here. And i make to non Raid already, for what they are.

Windows ? Don't need Windows any more with Steam Wine and virtualization

Sheers all

[jul16ares]

I've two things annoying:

1: I can't set brightness I've to set it by /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness, I've seen that maybe pass arguments by the kernel make the job, but i don't now where are the boot/grub config files ?

2 : Sound is very very low, maybe in applet and/or mixer ?

[bigpup]

You are asking a lot of questions.
That is when a topic gets really hard to follow.
You have about 5 or 6 questions and no direct answers yet, that we know you fully understand.
You are asking new questions.
Feedback by you, is the only way we know, what we tell you, is working.

So, stick with one question at a time, until you get a completely good answer. One that provides all you need.
Tell us that it answered the question.

Really, to stop topic confusion. It is best to only have one question of problem in a topic.
Start a new topic if you have another problem or question.

What is the differences between frugal install and live install ?

A live install:
All the files inside the Bionicpup64 8.0.iso are image burned to a CD/DVD or copied to a USB drive.
A CD/DVD burning program used to install to CD/DVD.
A USB installer program used to install to USB.

A frugal install:
The files in the Bionicpup iso are copied to a directory (Linux name for folder).
This directory can be placed in any partition, any format, and any drive (hard drive, USB flash drive, SD card, SSD).
Can be on a drive that already has another operating system on it.
A boot loader is also needed to be installed, to have ability to boot the frugal install.
Because the Puppy Linux files are all in a directory(folder).
You can have multiple different Puppy versions, installed on one drive, with a boot loader menu, setup to boot each one.

Both type installs use a save file or folder to store all settings, added software, and changes.

Note:
Only installer programs, that come in Puppy Linux, know how to do frugal installs.

[jul16ares]

You are asking a lot of questions.

Yes you right, i'll try to contain myself and post outside, for other contents.

So if i reformulate, live install it's like a live session with cd/usb bootable with persistent options, and frugal install it's the same but the system files are on a partition bootable with boot loader ?

[enrique]

...

The laptop comes with ... Radeon HD6650 eGPU...

Yeahh man can i make it happen here ? Gaming this 2000€ laptop, with the radon chip on puppy linux ? Or maybe doing some video editing XD

I have an HP DV7, same product description different manufacturer. This is an old PC but its hardware is still powerfull.

You can make it run any Puppy you like in an acceptable manner

Regards AMD Turks GPU.
Sadly AMD proprietary fglrx drivers where long time discontinue. This drivers where last seen to work for Ubuntu 2015. In other words you nee a kernel 4.16 or earlier. So the issue has nothing to do with Puppy or Ubuntu. But AMD lack of respect to its old users.

So quick answer, If you like to get the best performance for your Turks GPU you need to install in a Puppy previous of Xenial, Trusty Tahr preferable but there are a few 2015 that may work.

Do not waist your time doing "How to install AMD Drivers (fglrx)" if you do not install on a puppy previous of 2015.

Good news is that you can always install more that on Puppy easily. So you can have you latest Puppy and when you intent to play use you old thar or similar.

So if i reformulate, live install it's like a live session with cd/usb bootable with persistent options, and frugal install it's the same but the system files are on a partition bootable with boot loader ?

Puppys definition are in:

http://puppylinux.com/install.html

I believe frugal install = live install with persistent save options. In general your OS remain packed and changes are store in save file.
But in Puppy we have a few ways to save.

[jul16ares]

Thanks enrique

I have an HP DV7, same product description different manufacturer. This is an old PC but its hardware is still powerfull.

The story of this machine Vaio serie Z, is very interesting. Indeed it,s very like a prototype...

Sony first implement the thunderbold, in a public machine. Or i should say the "light peak", made of optical connection between the PCIe bus inside the laptop and the "outside", like this eGPU onboard my external "dongle". Optical wire are potentially not botllenecked by the copper ones. And the first works by Intel is 20gbits over 200m, if I'm right.

But Apple and Intel implement it throught mini-display port, and became "copper peak"

Vaio serie Z is the lighter and almost thinner of his days, and maybe the most powerful for this kind of portability (1kg), with HD6650 by his side.
But very expensive too.

I found this article. Very interesting. (i'm not a pro Sony or whatelse), this machine and this industry "fascinating" me, because my brother give it to me like a garbage, and recycling with almighty Puppy, is rewarding. Who doesn't want to saving those kind of stuff ?

If you mind :

How Sony accidentally did the right thing with Light Peak
https://www.theverge.com/2011/10/14/249 ... light-peak

Excuse me if I'm some of off topic

Cheers

[enrique]

Just in case, my HP DV7 does not have Thunderbolt interface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Peak

One of many good thing that never develop in real life due to high royalties. Instead of creating standards. Well, the security industry never approved ports that exposed PCI ports externally. As an attacker could access internal hardware via DMA, bypassing the kernel/os security!!

[bigpup]

So if i reformulate, live install it's like a live session with cd/usb bootable with persistent options, and frugal install it's the same but the system files are on a partition bootable with boot loader ?

Basically yes.

Frugal install, the system files are put in a directory.
Do not have to be on a boot partition. Can be anyplace on the drive.
Can have multiple frugal installs.
Can have a frugal install inside another OS.

However, also needed with frugal install, is a boot loader, installed to the drives boot partition, with menu entry to boot the frugal install.

[jul16ares]

So I've some hardware problems like the fist one is my sound is very very very low

[bigpup]

Have you tried to adjust any sound settings?

Sound icon on right side of desktop tray.
Left click on it to get master adjustment.
Is it adjusted up all the way?

Right click on it.
Select Mixer.
Adjust up any of the settings that may be set too low.
Check any that seem to be needed that may not be checked.

Any help?