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I am very fond of Puppy. I use it regularly and I also ask for needed help on the forum.
Our home 'network' is Ubuntu because it was, for us, the first Linux we tried that worked! I had enough trouble converting 'she who must be obeyed' to Ubuntu so I doubt I could effect a change to Puppy.
From a purely marketing standpoint, I suggest that the name, Puppy, is a choice that conveys a secondary, immature image. A stronger name might change the general feeling and impart a stronger sense of confidence.
Our home 'network' is Ubuntu because it was, for us, the first Linux we tried that worked! I had enough trouble converting 'she who must be obeyed' to Ubuntu so I doubt I could effect a change to Puppy.
From a purely marketing standpoint, I suggest that the name, Puppy, is a choice that conveys a secondary, immature image. A stronger name might change the general feeling and impart a stronger sense of confidence.
Sorry, I have to disagree...As one of the first to respond to unanswered posts, and one who monitors new posters posts carefully, I find that most of us respond with simplicity and kindness...(Unlike a few other Linux forums)....1. When a question is asked, it is assumed that the person posing the question knows the inner workings of Puppy (the answers are too confusing sometimes)
2. If a person cannot figure it out, a lot of times the person is treated like a dummy.
We routinely help people, not only with Puppy, and other Distros, but even problems with Windoze too...
This I agree with, and have harped on myself in numerous threads..3. I am no Puppy pro in any sense of the word. I know Windows, but Puppy is still a mystery to me. I like Puppy a lot. But when I ask how to do something, I want step by step instructions, or I may not know what the heck I am doing.
However, I believe the responders mean well, and assume a higher level of technical knowledge than may actually be there...
They are not treating you like a dummy, they are treating you like you are more knowledgable than you are...its kind of a compliment....
As for the rest, Ive said it before, and will again....
You were not born knowing windoze, you took your entire "computing life" to learn what you know....
Puppy has a much shorter learning curve, but it still has one...
I spent 20 years learning , in M$`s convoluted way, how my computer worked...
Only to find out I didnt learn a thing about my computer, just what windoze didnt hide from me...
2 years of Linux, mostly through Puppy, has cleared up a lot, but its like Stockholm syndrome, I thought they were my friends, and wanted to help me, but in the end it was all about the money...
Puppy is removing the brainwashing....My computer is a simpler toy now, and I TELL it what to do, not ASK it if its O.K...
To put it simply, I havent felt like my computer was a toy, that I controlled, since the C-64 / Basic days, since I opened my first DOS prompt..
M$ is like the computer version of a "Buzzkill"...........
My absolute favorite thing....Puppy has never, ever, asked me "Are you sure you want to do this"....(Why do you think I clicked it for, Vista, you @#$%^&*")..................
Its not just Puppy....Its not Linux / BSD / Solaris / Plan9 (lol) / ect...
Its M$...They have the general public convinced that the least secure OS on the planet is the only "safe" way to go....Fear works wonders....
Heres whats needed:
"Tonight on Dateline, (whatever)....
"Linux, what is it, how does it work, and why havent I heard of it before.."
Let `em see who "Big Brother" really is...
I love the "Conspiracy" websites running "Windoze" software....
Morons.....Dont trust the Government, but trust M$ and no other....
"Check out the video"...blah-blah-dot-WMA...LOL.....
Sorry, did I rant again.....
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I can mirror some of the posts on here by saying that when you get someone new to any forums that has people knowledgeable in a technical way, the new people get put off quite quickly by these so called egg heads not coming down out of the clouds and giving simple and coherent explanations to a problem.
Many people, including myself have a good deal of knowledge in that other O.S. but none in Linux, and cba to mess around with command line parameters after so many years of either writing code to avoid that or just so used to a system that works for the main part.
I use an embedded forum as well for writing firmware and you see exactly the same thing on there, some snotty answers by people that know what they are talking about, they are good for the experienced but have no idea on how to actually help people who are just starting out.
You see many people try to get some simple answers to questions and yet these members cannot drop down a few levels to help.
I am an active moderator on a very large forum, over 5,000 members who range from the very experienced to young school kids. I never forget that at one stage I knew little to nothing, so try to explain things in the simplest way possible, even taking it down a few notches if there is still incomprehension.
Forums need people who can accept that not everyone is at the same level as themselves, else the forum will dwindle to an elite few.
Many people, including myself have a good deal of knowledge in that other O.S. but none in Linux, and cba to mess around with command line parameters after so many years of either writing code to avoid that or just so used to a system that works for the main part.
I use an embedded forum as well for writing firmware and you see exactly the same thing on there, some snotty answers by people that know what they are talking about, they are good for the experienced but have no idea on how to actually help people who are just starting out.
You see many people try to get some simple answers to questions and yet these members cannot drop down a few levels to help.
I am an active moderator on a very large forum, over 5,000 members who range from the very experienced to young school kids. I never forget that at one stage I knew little to nothing, so try to explain things in the simplest way possible, even taking it down a few notches if there is still incomprehension.
Forums need people who can accept that not everyone is at the same level as themselves, else the forum will dwindle to an elite few.
anyone who is interested in distrowatch rankings might want to take a peek at this:
http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats. ... etail.html
hate to be a bummer, but very few puppies visiting today . . .
http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats. ... etail.html
hate to be a bummer, but very few puppies visiting today . . .
have had this suspicion for a while. lobster spends his spare time clicking the links to make puppy rise in the rankings on the front page of distrowatch. this attached image points to something similar or else puppians are so happy that they don't need to go back to distrowatch to even look for anything else (well you gotta be optimistic).bugman wrote:anyone who is interested in distrowatch rankings might want to take a peek at this:
http://distrowatch.com/awstats/awstats. ... etail.html
hate to be a bummer, but very few puppies visiting today . . .
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more optimism: puppians use puppy derivatives which are showing up in the Unknown section. else awastats are not correctly identifying puppy genuine. also large numbers in the GNU Linux (unknown) section.
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No, this is an excellent sign! Those are potential Window$ refugees who are looking at Linux alternatives, or Linux users who are browsing Distrowatch from their corporate Window$ (work) machines! Either way its a very, VERY good sign IMHO.puppyluvr wrote:
Whats even sadder is that 51% of the hits on "DISTRO"watch were for Windoze...
Disturbing....
What would worry me greatly is if there were very few Window$ users accessing Distrowatch. That would be very bad news since it would mean that Puppy's target audience was limited to distro switching LXer's.
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take the page off the addresspuppyluvr wrote: Oh, I misunderstood.
I thought it ranked search querys, not the O.S. of the searcher....
http://distrowatch.com/awstats/
you'll get the full monty, including queries
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Personally I need more excitement. More "tricks" sections to let a person try would make it more interesting for me. I've done almost everything I want to do with Puppy, except get Windows only programs to work with it.
I am not ready to give up Haptek player or UltraHal, which only works in Windows.
It's just me, I mean I'll still use Puppy as a hobby.
I am not ready to give up Haptek player or UltraHal, which only works in Windows.
It's just me, I mean I'll still use Puppy as a hobby.
I want to share WhoDo's optimism, it's grand to see windoze users taking a look at Distrowatch, long may it continue and grow (Thanks Bugman for the heads-up). At the same time, without wishing to spoil the party, I'm uncomfortably aware that a hit rate roughly equivalent to Ubuntu users reflects only a tiny proportion of the Redmond victims .... still a long way to go on this one.
Distrowatch is of course no indication of how many are actually using a distro and AFAIK there is just no way to get a handle on this - ideas, anyone?
Back on topic, use of this forum: LateDeveloper may have touched upon a Great Truth -
Well, I've long regarded this forum as 'elite' in terms of courtesy, good humour, helpfulness and expertise; it's the dwindling bit that bothers me. I seem to be seeing fewer queries which I can attempt to answer these days - by which I mean the technical expertise of the newcomer seems to be escalating.
Or else, I'm getting more stupid!
Seriously, though, I feel it would be a great shame if Puppy, contrary to all intentions, were becoming a distro for the nerdly. I do hope that's not happening.
Distrowatch is of course no indication of how many are actually using a distro and AFAIK there is just no way to get a handle on this - ideas, anyone?
Back on topic, use of this forum: LateDeveloper may have touched upon a Great Truth -
Forums need people who can accept that not everyone is at the same level as themselves, else the forum will dwindle to an elite few.
Well, I've long regarded this forum as 'elite' in terms of courtesy, good humour, helpfulness and expertise; it's the dwindling bit that bothers me. I seem to be seeing fewer queries which I can attempt to answer these days - by which I mean the technical expertise of the newcomer seems to be escalating.
Or else, I'm getting more stupid!
Seriously, though, I feel it would be a great shame if Puppy, contrary to all intentions, were becoming a distro for the nerdly. I do hope that's not happening.
Hello,
As I see it, we have a new influx of refugee`s, not from `Doze, but from other Distros..
They are Puppy newbies, but not Linux newbies..
I try not to feel bad for oversimplication, when someone takes offense, because, with just a few posts, or even one, we can be expected to assume that it is warranted..
I would rather that than to leave some poor soul confused, as I have been there myself...(initrd what??)
As I see it, we have a new influx of refugee`s, not from `Doze, but from other Distros..
They are Puppy newbies, but not Linux newbies..
I try not to feel bad for oversimplication, when someone takes offense, because, with just a few posts, or even one, we can be expected to assume that it is warranted..
I would rather that than to leave some poor soul confused, as I have been there myself...(initrd what??)
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This isnt exactly good news....
The "word on the street" is that Puppy Linux would be used a lot more if only it was more "usable".
Puppy Linux's [url=http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=296352#296352]Mission[/url]
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Sorry, my server is down atm!
Well that depends on your perspective, doesn't it? At least these days Linux is being counted, and if you add MacOSX to the Linux figures it's being counted more than ever before. But then I'm a glass half full kinda guy!ecomoney wrote:This isnt exactly good news....
Just for those who don't know, the "street" referred to here is the Scunthorpe High Street, and not some general "average street" despite ecomoney's habit of interpolating Scunthorpe opinion to the world stage.ecomoney wrote:The "word on the street" is that Puppy Linux would be used a lot more if only it was more "usable".
One day, Rob, you'll shock everyone and actually say something positive or (gasp, choke) actually contribute something other than your overrated opinion to Puppy development. One swallow does not make a summer any more than one sfs makes a contribution.
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