Puppy Squeeze 009 Development

[Bert]

First pic is Seamonkey in Squeeze 004
Second is Firefox in Mint Debian





Am I the only one with such poor fonts?
Is there a way to get better fonts?

Bert

[dejan555]

Yes, those are the default ugly fonts, in new seamonkey package will be fixed i hope.

[Iguleder]

Installing 004 on my netbook, I want to roll back to the 004 package list, which still has the Debian multimedia packages and the ffmpeg/xine I compiled on 003. Let's hope the Atom processor can handle some serious compilation work too

I really have no idea what causes the FLV playback issue, gxine says it's Faac or Faad2, not very clear - I recompiled both and still no luck. I also made sure ffmpeg linked against libx264 and it did.

I'll try to replace ffmpeg with Quirky's and experiment with the static Seamonkey. I want to mix the Debian packages with the packages I compiled that Debian lacks (for instance, libvpx), the Debian versions are probably bigger but they're Debian's ... which means they're of higher quality

[Bert]

If we go for this approach we can replace Pburn with Xfburn

FWIW, until recently I used Peppermint. In its first release, it had Xfburn as the default burner. It was buggy and did not burn reliably. ( in fact, I started to hate it ) They removed it from Peppermint in later editions.
Maybe Xfburn wasn't happy in the Lxde environment..Just wanted to share this experience...

[tronkel]

Any plans for a 64-bit Puppy Squeeze?

On my current 2-3 year old hardware, Ubuntu Lucid 10.4 64-AMD runs noticeably faster than the 32-bit version.

I have also tried 64-bit real Debian Squeeze. Fast also, but problematical with drivers and packages.

So this Puppy Squeeze 004 looks to be very fast, but may be even faster implemented as 64-bit? Interesting experiment to try.

Same applies to Lucid 5.1.1 and also to its new Maverick base.

Significant distros usually offer the choice between 32 and 64 bit.

More work LOL! Never stops with Puppy. Don't know where to start. Maybe need to think about trying to consolidate some of the disparate projects in order to minimize duplication of effort.

[01micko]

More work LOL! Never stops with Puppy. Don't know where to start. Maybe need to think about trying to consolidate some of the disparate projects in order to minimize duplication of effort.

Excellent point tronkel

Perhaps some sort of discussion should be set up between Squeeze and Maverick development .. if there's common ground then why not take advantage of it?

Just another opinion

Cheers

[Lobster]

Iguleder and Jemimah are often on Puppychat (click on the chat icon)

Larry from the Maverick side is requesting:

we need two or three experienced programmer/developers to step up and help--people who know the Puppy infrastructure well and can also write utility programs. One program we will need is a new first-run wizard--not radical changes--I discussed it early in the 5.1 development process. I would also like a utility that would allow easily switching between sound cards and changing the default (that's for me and tubeguy)

more info:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 1576#45157

Jemimah, Ttuuxxx, Joe (BigBass), Technosaurus and Iguleder
are all intending to work together on Saluki
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy6
this will feed back into their respective projects

Many are feeding back into Barry Woof base

Puppy Linux
Forever Frisky

[chrismt]

I'm still trying to compile 208 sm though, I think I figured out where the problem is. chrismt maybe you can try 462 xfce pet i made for dpup 484

It would also be great if there was that Window Manager Switcher that are in Puppy 5.1 series where you can select between JWM, IceWm and Xfce4

Maybe it could be developed to add more Window Managers like Pekwm which is very small.

Choice of Window Managers are always cool....

[Iguleder]

You miss three points:
1) PPM and many things in Puppy are built specifically for JWM.
2) JWM and IceWM have a panel, other window managers don't, they require a separate panel application.
3) Panels use xdg menus and the menu will be messed up if we make the switch.

I'd still like to try a WM/panel combo, pekwm and fbpanel sounds nice

[tronkel]

Let's have a look at where it's at at the moment and try at least to establish what we've got. If we understand it from this viewpoint, there might be a sporting chance that some sense can be made out of this hotch-potch of sub-projects and thus make it possible to make logical and sensible decisions about where to go from here.

Group A)

Puppy's main R & D facility is headquartered somewhere down-under in OZ led by forum member called BarryK who (or at least so I'm led to believe) is fairly experienced at this sort of thing. The stuff he creates there is important.

Group B)

There's another forum member called Playdayz (also from down-under as it happens) who chucks out all sorts Puppy versions that are well-liked by a lot of Puppy's end users. He has a proven track record in managing the rather complex and lengthy gestation period that this class of Puppy version inevitably requires. The stuff he creates here is also important. His version of Puppy 5 is an official one.

Group C)

A newer group of Puppy creators have also emerged. Forum members, ttuuxxx, Iguleder, Kirk, Gray plus many others as well, make more specialised but interesting versions of Puppy and are very happy to work on these interesting ideas and just see what happens with them.

The community members in general do seem to get a lot of fun out of downloading them, testing them and producing feedback from them.

Group A uses Puppy's own in-house pet packages, Group B has used Ubuntu Lucid and Maverick packages up till now and Group C, being the more cutting-edge, go in for Debian Testing packages.

The ideal Puppy end-product for the average end-user IMHO would get produced by the boss of Group B (the current official Puppy 5 builder) using cutting-edge, (but properly tested and configured for Puppy), packages from Group C.

Reason? The most generic packages are built by Debian. Ubuntu re-compiles Debian packages using the Debian build tools.

Does this help at all with consolidation? Any thoughts yet on 64 bit?

[stu90]

Iguleder:
Here is lucid .pet for pekwm run 'fixmenus' in terminal the exit to prompt and 'xwin pekwm'
http://www.smokey01.com/stu90/lucid.pup ... 1.12-1.pet
Might need some tweeking in the fixmenus as not all the time do new applications show up with out a reload.


Off topic - been messing about with one of those cloud music applications - click play on the egg picture
test.egg

[gjuhasz]

I uploaded midori-0.2.7.pet here:

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-e64fd0c9.html

Includes dependencies. Tested in

Puppy Squeeze 004
Lucid Puppy 5.1.1

It is 21 MB. I am sure the package could be smaller. Maybe somebody can trim the fat...

[dejan555]

OK, I compiled seamonkey 2.0.8 finally, the problem was --disable-composer parameter on configure line, I thought it was supposed to disable Composer the html editor but it somehow affected mailnews.

Now I'm making default profile with fonts fix and doing some customizing, I will post pet when ready, this one has working browser, mailnews and composer, I removed chatzilla, modern theme and other two extensions, I can make separate pets for them if someone wants, so now it comes down to 13.5 MB pet.

[dejan555]

OK people, here it is brand new 2.0.8 seamonkey pet

seamonkey-2.0.8-i486-dpup.pet 13.5 MB

Please rename/backup or delete your .mozilla directory before testing this one, I want opinions on default setup, that is, pet includes .mozilla dir with some files and customizations inside.

[dejan555]

Damn, that pixlr thing is not bad at all, I played a bit, here's attached image

[tronkel]

Problem with ATI Radeon 3450 video driver in Puppy Squeeze 004

Exactly the same problem as with Ubuntu Lucid 10.4 - washed out colours. when using the ATI driver already built in to the kernel. The only way to get decent video was to install the proprietary ATI driver from their website.

All this was fixed though when Lucid 10.4.1 came out. The open source driver included in the kernel then ran fine and no further need for the proprietary one. I wonder if re-compiling the open source driver was the answer.

Has anyone else experienced this, or perhaps knows what the problem and its solution at that time actually was?

[stu90]

Damn, that pixlr thing is not bad at all, I played a bit, here's attached image

nice

Have you tried Aviary? - there is a whole bunch of online applications there.
http://www.aviary.com/
I made the audio clip in my previous post with the Aviary audio editor.

[dr-kart]

@ dr-kart
Thats good news then dpup has something magical

Have you tried alsa sound wizard from setup menu yet?

Sure I did. Nothing got better.
Audio Adapter: "HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB"
(As from hardinfo)

[tronkel]

More on the ATI Radeon 3450 video card problem.

I did a reboot from live CD and this time manually selected the ATI radeonhd driver. This then ran video OK and without the washed-out colours.

Then noticed that the DE (German) keyboard wasn't set up. The standard Puppy keyboard wizard then complained that no options exist in XORG for keyboard type. Current XORG versions such as those found in Ubuntu/Debian no longer use a "real" xorg.conf configuration file.

I then manually added an options line in xorg.conf for this keyboard. Then restarted X and back to the washed-out colours! Also tried the XORG_HIGH replacement dotpet supplied by Iguleder, but no joy with this either.

I wonder if it would be a good idea to have a go with the xorg package fversion from Barry's latest Wary and see what that does. I'll play around with that later.

Video problems apart though, the potential for this Debian-based Puppy variant is all too obvious. It is very fast (not sure why though!).

Eventually moving Playdayz's Group B Lucid distro over to this base instead sounds like a smart move. It would relieve Playdayz and Micko from the 6-monthly Ubuntu upgrade treadmill and allow them to make an "LTS" Lupu based on Debian instead. LOL Debian only brings out new versions every decade or so!

This would give both end-users and their support persons a big and welcome breathing space from this treadmill as well. This Group B user category is the biggest user group by a long way. They want (need) a distro that is stable, fast, simply works and offers up the range of goodies that they need to get their work done.

Playdayz and Micko have shown the way here and moving the base over to Debian Squeeze could well improve things even more.

Group B is in the position where it is, because of its bi-directional take-up of components from the group on either side of it viz. Groups A and C.

Group C is the one that has the luxury of simply being able to try out "over-clocked" ideas and simply seeing what gives. In contrast with Groups A and B, Group C doesn't need a permanent co-ordinator. Group C is a free spirit.

Hopefully this idea of using a 3 Group designation will rationalise what's currently going on within the various Puppy projects.

[Bert]

OK people, here it is brand new 2.0.8 seamonkey pet

seamonkey-2.0.8-i486-dpup.pet 13.5 MB

Please rename/backup or delete your .mozilla directory before testing this one, I want opinions on default setup, that is, pet includes .mozilla dir with some files and customizations inside.

Thanks for this new Pet dejan555!
It is a big improvement.
The fonts are much better now (...in case someone doubts this or has aging eyes like I do, just compare to my screenshots on page 11, after installing dejan's pet. )
You also managed to get the Home button into the Navigation Bar. Much better., thanks!

I have a second Seamonkey 2.08 installed from the Seamonkey site, a Dutch version. What is great is that this Dutch one seems to be using your improvements. as well: