Puppy 5.3

[puppyite]

For what its worth (probably nothing) I agree with some that if the base of puppy is going to change, the first number should also.

I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.

[p310don]

I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.

Puppyite, I agree with you, but I see you getting frustrated over this issue and many others with regard to "the royalty". Try not to let it get to you.

As users, you and I have a great deal to offer as suggestions for improvements in puppy, as well as testing in future. Those guys and girls who make puppy do it for free, in their free time, so don't get too harsh. I do hope they can take the time to look at USER'S suggestions and take them into account.

Ultimately it is up to those that DO things to make up their minds as to what goes into a puppy, and what it gets named and or numbered. So long as in the end we have another great puppy, isn't that all that matters?

[puppyite]

Those outside of this forum are already confused enough about what Puppy Linux is. Switching from Ubuntu to Slackware without changing the number will only add to that confusion. YMMV

[reckrhodes]

I might get confused sometimes but it takes a little depth of searching that i find puppy linux and the community itself a lot of fun. By just lurking and reading this forum makes me satisfied of how this powerful little linux distro can offer. Have fun and let the devs spend their precious time just for fun. As a user, I would rather say thank you thank you and thank you to all the people here including puppies

[RetroTechGuy]

For what its worth (probably nothing) I agree with some that if the base of puppy is going to change, the first number should also.

I agree. The 5.x number series should be specifically reserved for Lucid (based on Ubuntu packages). The powers that be however are stone cold deaf on this point.

Why?

IIRC, the Beta versions for 5.x were started as something like 4.5x, then when testing completely, it became a release as 5.0. This is consistent with that past recipe.

[RetroTechGuy]

As for your comments about democracy. Where are you getting that idea? A *nix distro is NEVER a democracy. It's always led by a small group of people who make the decisions. Thats why there are different distros... different methodologies for different people.

And, in fact, they tend to be a state of anarchy (anarchy simply being a condition of co-existence without government). Shifting interests, and individual "fun" determines what the various devs work on. The poor "point man" then tries to herd the cats on his/her team, until the new version passes muster as a Beta, and then onto a final release... Then come the unenviable patches and fixes for all the things that were missed during Beta...

IMO, a democracy would just crash the system, which currently works...

But being an anarchy, there is nothing to stop someone from starting their own democracy based distro. Feel free to do so. One should note that the "president" of such an organization would not necessarily need to be an expert, just able to coerce work, code and patches from the team members (whether it be bribes of beer, awards, kudos, or cash...).

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

[nooby]

I am more worried about the notion that Lucid Puppy is compatible with the Ubuntu repo.

I doubt it is. Does it not require that somebody knowing much about puppy has to check on dependencies and to find and compile them if they are missing.

So compatible is confusing but I've seen that word using google.


That there is so many to chose from can be confusing but if one visit Barry's blog then one get that he decide what is official Puppy.

[puppyite]

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

[RetroTechGuy]

I use the term Royalty to illustrate how (some) decisions are made and that generally speaking decisions about Puppy Linux are not made democratically (or if they are they do not include peasants, a.k.a. average users, such as myself). That constitutes the entire intent of my use of the word Royalty.

You know what, I don't like democracy. Democracies are evil. Have you ever heard this before?

Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

I look at the jokers that are democratically elected to represent us here is the US. You would have me believe that these same sorts of people who voted them in, should have an equal say in a technical field, such as a Puppy Linux distro.

Maybe we should let them vote on the Law of Gravity -- "Hey gravity, we have voted you out of existence, so stop it!!".

Or vote on "taxing the rich" -- "Hey you rich guys, it isn't fair that you don't give us your stuff -- because we're a mob and outnumber you". Hell, as long as we're at it, we'll let that same mob vote on whether it was RAPE or if it was "Consensual Sex" when they take your daughter out to the woods for some "Fun"... Yeah, that's democracy for you...

And lets have a group of random people chosen from the street decide how to build our next nuclear reactor... "I think the walls should be painted pink..."

I don't want a distro being driven but people who don't understand the subject at great depth (and yes, that includes me -- I'm often a "power user", but nowhere near the caliber needed to be a distro author...)

I very much appreciate out devs and authors, who volunteer their expertise, to produce these distros for our enjoyment! Ladies and gentlemen, thank you!

[RetroTechGuy]

[quote="puppyite"]Telling me to “dev

[RetroTechGuy]

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

Come on! This is democracy we're talking about, you have no choice if elected!...

[puppyite]

I am more worried about the notion that Lucid Puppy is compatible with the Ubuntu repo.

I doubt it is.

Barry says it’s compatible. What’s your problem with that?

[puppyite]

[quote="RetroTechGuy"][quote="puppyite"]Telling me to “dev

[RetroTechGuy]

[quote="puppyite"][quote="RetroTechGuy"][quote="puppyite"]Telling me to “dev

[puppyite]

My skills are used on the Puppy Linux FAQ.

Thank you! It is a nice document.

Considering your attitude about my other efforts to help Puppy Linux that has a hollow ring to it.

[puppyite]

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

Come on! This is democracy we're talking about, you have no choice if elected!...

Probably indicative of your understanding of Democracy.

[RetroTechGuy]

Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

Come on! This is democracy we're talking about, you have no choice if elected!...

Probably indicative of your understanding of Democracy.

Oh, I understand democracy quite well:

Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

[RetroTechGuy]

My skills are used on the Puppy Linux FAQ.

Thank you! It is a nice document.

Considering your attitude about my other efforts to help Puppy Linux that has a hollow ring to it.

"help Puppy Linux"??? By making the creation process a democracy?... If you hadn't guessed, I believe that a "democratic process" will destroy whatever distro it is applied to.

But please, do try the experiment yourself. You need not hijack an existing distro or existing process to try your preferred process.

This reminds me of an old "Vorlon" quote (Kosh, "Babylon 5"): "The truth points to itself".

If the democracy works better, people will flock to it. If a meritocracy works better, people will flock to that. If anarchy works better, people will flock to that... We will see which is preferred, via "market forces".

[jonyo]

I hereby nominate Puppyite to be president of the new Puppy project: Puppyite 1.0. Is there a second?

Stop right there, you’ve mouthed off quite enough. My interest in Puppy Linux does not include any desire to be in charge of anything.

Come on! This is democracy we're talking about, you have no choice if elected!...

well ..I was going to second the nomination, but clearly the nominee has declined

[nooby]

I am more worried about the notion that Lucid Puppy is compatible with the Ubuntu repo.

I doubt it is.

Barry says it’s compatible. What’s your problem with that?

thanks for the link

Of course, being based on Ubuntu Lucid packages, this Puppy is compatible with the huge Ubuntu repositories, and the Puppy Package Manager (PPM) can install from these, as well as a growing collection of PET packages (PET is the Puppy native package format) compiled especially for Lucid Puppy.

Hopefully I am wrong but as I remember people read it and test it and report that it did not work for them.

Maybe they don't read the instructions on the PPM or do something else wrong or I fail to get what did happen. But that is how I remember it.

Several has reported that it did not work. What did they do wrong then?
Am I alone remembering this?