Remember Neil from the infamous Bush crime family?I am old enough to remember the Savings and Loan mess where the savings a loan industry was allowed to go beyond its rightful area of the economy and was turned into a way to cheat people. Lessons were not learned.
I usually agree with every thing you post gcmartin.Unlike Europe
Turns out there's more to it:Geoffrey wrote:Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-ha ... ndy-ranch/Flash wrote:What's the name of this related article and where did you read of it?8-bit wrote:I had read of a related article where some senator had made a deal with a Chinese outfit for use of the property in dispute for a wind farm.
It was further stated that this senator encouraged harassment of the rancher in hopes of getting his land too!
Here's Lou Dobbs reporting the pullback of the BLM and then saying this at 1:20
And at 4:09 the reporter mentionsThere are reports tonight that Chinese energy giant ENN Energy Group is actively tageting the land in question for a solar plant project with Ro Reid's helpWhat the reporter seems to be dancing around is the fact that the proposed solar energy project was in Laughlin NV, while the Bundy ranch is in Bunkerville, nearly 200 miles away on the other side of Las Vegas and Lake Mead......Reid's son Rory is a lobbyist for Chinese energy giant ENN which proposed building a solar plant in (dramatic cause) Clark County.
Oh, and the Chinese project was canceled in 2013 anyway. But the fact that the associated web pages were taken are just "proof" that it's a conspiracy man.
http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/mm/mm09.pdfgreengeek wrote:I'd still be interested to know if there is any ore of value in the Nevada soils.
Bundy has repeatedly trumpeted his "ancestral rights" to have his cattle graze on land administered by the federal Bureau of Land Management without paying taxes for the past twenty years. "My forefathers," he has said, "have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements." A simple search of Clark county property records by KLAS-TV, a Las Vegas television station, however, revealed that his family had purchased the ranch in 1948 and had only begun grazing cattle on it in 1954—eight years after the founding of the BLM. KLAS reporters also received a map from the Moapa band of Paiute Indians showing how the land the Bundy ranch is on was promised to them by federal treaty.
Bundy's hullabaloo is particularly ironic considering that the Western Shoshone Nation's claim to the land predates his own. He has declared he will only recognize the original sovereignty of the state of Nevada, despite the fact that Nevada did not achieve statehood until 1864 and as such has no pre-existing claims to sovereign status. Only the thirteen original colonies possessed sovereignty prior to the creation of the United States. The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo with Mexico gave up Mexican claims but did not guarantee Indigenous land rights. Shoshone sovereignty over the area in which the Bundys graze their cattle was recognized by the US via the Treaty of Ruby Valley (1863)—a treaty that did not include any land concessions.
In 1979, the US government attempted to legitimize claims to Shoshone land (which encompasses nearly all of Nevada) by paying $26 million to the Department of the Interior for 24 million acres. [A dollar an acre!] It should be noted that the Department of the Interior is a branch of the federal government [Which I believe includes the Bureau of Indian Affairs.]—hence the government paid itself for Shoshone land. In 1985, the Supreme Court ruled that this payment to the Department of the Interior constituted Shoshone acceptance of payment for their land. In 2004, the US attempted to distribute $145 million as payment for Shoshone land in Nevada. Seven of the nine Western Shoshone tribal councils have refused to accept this payment and are holding fast to their demand that the original treaty be honored. In 2006, the same year the US District Court for Nevada dismissed Shoshone claims, the United Nations Committee for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination found "credible information alleging that the Western Shoshone indigenous people are being denied their traditional rights to land." So if Cliven Bundy wishes to pay taxes or grazing fees—he should pay it to the Shoshone. [Tell the Shoshone not to hold their breath. I think he just doesn't want to pay.]
In the U.S., federal land can be used by the military, in which case the general public is not allowed. National Forest is federal land, and pretty much all of it is open to the public except at certain times when there's some pressing reason to close it. Usually to protect it from the public. BLM land is federal. It's what Bundy's been grazing his cattle on. I'm not sure exactly what is allowed on BLM land, but I think that the public can hike and camp on BLM land, and maybe prospect for valuable minerals too. Some states, such as Arizona, own quite a bit of land. As far as I know, all of it is open to the public. "Open to the public" doesn't mean you can do anything you want. Hiking, camping, hunting (in season) and prospecting are allowed. You can't build a structure though, unless you strike gold. Then you can stake a claim. A great deal of what is now choice private property in the western states of the U.S. was originally mining claims. Many if not most such mining claims should never have been allowed (patented is I think the correct term) because the claimants never proved their claim contained enough gold to be commercially viable, but now it's too late to do anything about them.greengeek wrote:Is "public" land the same thing as "federal" land?
By the way - thanks to the contributor who posted this link in another thread - it gave me a chuckle. Gotta love that country rap genre.I won't back up
I don't back down
I bin raised up
To stand my ground"
